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Old 05-22-2012, 10:13 AM   #1
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I picked up a used sc10 4x4 roller to bash around with. I've got it going with stuff I had laying around, but feel I need a better motor.

Right now its powered via 5000mah 25c 2s lipo, Sidewinder, and a VXL motor.

It does ok, but gets fairly hot unless its geared down.

At some point I'll put in a Brushlesshobbies 120a esc, but I'm not sure on motors. I understand 4 pole is the way to go with these heavy beasts, but I'm not quite up to speed on them yet.

I don't want to spend tons of money here. This is just something I can bash and keep my race truck on the track instead of beating the crap out of it when I want to go play. So please, no suggesting high dollar stuff 'cause it ain't gonna happen. Cheap is the theme here.

Here's what I've been eyeballing...any input would be greatly appreciated.

Value Hobby R/C Hobby Store: GForce 3650W Inrunner Motor

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Old 05-22-2012, 10:25 AM   #2
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I'd be interested to hear how that one ran. There hasn't been that much info/feedback about the Value Hobby motors. I also considered the Tacon 3674. URC did a review of the Tacon It's only two poll but very long and has gobs of power. 2850k so probably needs 3s for speed.

Here's the video review: Brushless car/truck motor, BEST value in the WORLD?? - YouTube

I ended up going for the Castle 1410 3800 4 pole. Found one brand new on ebay for $75 so the 1 year warranty is still in tact. There aren't that many popular motors under $60.

Tenshock have a sensorless and sensored motor, both are good but need pretty potent batteries. Toro have an identical motor to the sensorless Tenshock for around the same price.

I went with the Castle 1410 which is a bit more powerful than the 3500 VXL since it has a much longer stator and 4 poles. Hoping the runtimes won't be effected too much.

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Old 05-22-2012, 12:36 PM   #3
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Tenshock SC411 4600kv is the way to go from what everyone says. A buddy of mine has one showing up in the next day or two, I am excited to see how it performs...I have a feeling I may ditch my SC4x and go to a 411 if it is as good as everyone says it is. Doesnt hurt that it is under $100 either.
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The castle 3800 4-pole is an awsome motor, especially when used with the brushless hobbies esc. The tenshock motors are great too. The sensored ones are phenomenal.
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I'd be interested to hear how that one ran. There hasn't been that much info/feedback about the Value Hobby motors. I also considered the Tacon 3674. URC did a review of the Tacon It's only two poll but very long and has gobs of power. 2850k so probably needs 3s for speed.

There aren't that many popular motors under $60.
I was looking at those too. The 540L's?

Tacon 3660-540L-7T Brushless Motor 3500KV for 1/10 Car Trucks

I'm not too concerned about what is popular.

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Tenshock SC411 4600kv is the way to go from what everyone says. A buddy of mine has one showing up in the next day or two, I am excited to see how it performs...I have a feeling I may ditch my SC4x and go to a 411 if it is as good as everyone says it is. Doesnt hurt that it is under $100 either.
Too expensive. If it costs much more than $50, I'm not interested.

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I was looking at those too. The 540L's?

Tacon 3660-540L-7T Brushless Motor 3500KV for 1/10 Car Trucks

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Too expensive. If it costs much more than $50, I'm not interested.
Does it have to be a sensored motor? Because with that budget, it really limits your options. If you are fine with running a sensorless motor, that will give you more options for closer to your budget.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:39 PM   #7
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Does it have to be a sensored motor? Because with that budget, it really limits your options. If you are fine with running a sensorless motor, that will give you more options for closer to your budget.
I don't remember saying I had a preference and the two links I've given thus far are for non-sensored, so I would have to say no, it does not have to be a sensored motor.
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I got the 5200 kv that I run in a LCG 2wd Slash for some summer fun. Holy Cow does this motor have cajones! It makes my son and I crack up.

I would recommend at least using a 5000 40 - 50c battery
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Which brand motor was that?

My batteries seem to be showing their age (over a year now of hard use) so replacement are working their way up the priority list.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:25 PM   #10
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I really like my value hobbies battery works perfect, give that motor a try and let us know how it runs. It looks identical to my castle 4 pole.
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When I was looking into the Geforce 4 pole the only useful info I found from someone running one was this thread here. I came extremely close to getting one till I found the Castle going for half price without the Sidewinder ESC.

Tacon sold out STILL...other value motors? [Archive] - Page 3 - Ultimate RC Forums
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the thing is that not all 4 pole motors are created equal, or in this case for the same applications. for example, the castle 1406 series 4 pole motors are designed for 2wd applications, whereas the 1410 4 pole is for 4wd applications. the difference is the rotor size. the 1410 has a big, fatty rotor and that's where the power comes from. the tenshock rotor isn't as big across, but it's length makes up for the difference in diameter.

the problem with that value hobbies motor is that nobody knows what size the rotor is. from that link above, it seems that reviews are mixed (with none of them giving any real data).
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I like the performance of my 5200kv 4 pole, it produces good power & performance. The size is 3650 indicating it's use isn't for heavy 4x4's but I do use it in my 4x4 Slash as well. I just gear it and monitor temps with no issues. Fun to drive with plenty of snap.

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You could get an unsensored Tenshock motor, sc401...They are like $60 and they are supposed to be beasts.
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You could get an unsensored Tenshock motor, sc401...They are like $60 and they are supposed to be beasts.
Or, if you want to save a couple of bucks, the Toro SC motors, are pretty much carbon copies of the Tenshock sc401's.

Also, I think Leopard makes a line of 3660 size motors that are four pole. Check hobbyhot.com
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There hasn't been that much info/feedback about the Value Hobby motors
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You could get an unsensored Tenshock motor, sc401...They are like $60 and they are supposed to be beasts.
i just bought it, 4000kw for my axial exo, but still haven't tried yet.
about toro motors i've heard they are hotter than other engines
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I was looking at those too. The 540L's?

Tacon 3660-540L-7T Brushless Motor 3500KV for 1/10 Car Trucks

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Too expensive. If it costs much more than $50, I'm not interested.

Get the Tacon and try it, I am running Tacon motors in 3 of my 4 trucks and they all have given me zero problems even when I'm running them with 3s...
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Get the Tacon and try it, I am running Tacon motors in 3 of my 4 trucks and they all have given me zero problems even when I'm running them with 3s...
I just got a sensored motor for my dedicated race truck, so I think I'll stick the 2230kv Tacon in the 4x4 and pick up a 3s for it. The math says it'll be just as fast as the VXL is on 2s.
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I just got a sensored motor for my dedicated race truck, so I think I'll stick the 2230kv Tacon in the 4x4 and pick up a 3s for it. The math says it'll be just as fast as the VXL is on 2s.
That'l work.
I've got a Element 3900 4-P by Castle in my LCG 2WD. It's been a great motor. It cogs just a little, but not as bad as the VXL. But to me, cogging is no big-deal. It's not a crawler. The VXL works fine in the kids 4X Slash. But our track is a burst track, no straight is longer than about 60ft.

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